WHITNEY MILLER | The Songwriter Grind, Networking in Nashville and Living Your Truth
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Whitney Miller (@whitnlove) hails from Corpus Christi, Texas, where her passion for sports led her to excel in soccer, track, and surfing. She made headlines in 2012 by winning the Miss United States title, breaking the stereotype that beauty pageant winners had to conform to a certain standard.After an intriguing career shift, Whitney delved into the world of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and MMA, showcasing her versatility and dedication to her craft.Currently, Whitney is focused on her newest venture as a country singer, with the impending release of her latest single, “15 Minutes of Fame” Her journey serves as an inspiration to those who seek to follow their dreams, no matter the path they choose to take.
For more info, check: whitneymillermusic.com
What Whitney and Travis Discussed:

The significance of finding a trusted community of people to write with when pursuing songwriting

How songwriting can transform small ideas into great songs with unpredictable outcomes

Whitney's story of overcoming her fear of singing and pursuing her passion for music

The importance of reinventing yourself repeatedly for success later in life

Tips for networking as a songwriter in NashvilleDiscussion on musicians in podcasting, the music industry in Nashville, and more

In this podcast episode, we discuss the importance of finding a community of trusted people to write with while pursuing songwriting. We explore how songwriting can turn small ideas into great songs and how it can transform your life. We hear from Whitney Miller, who overcame her fear of singing in front of others and pursued her passion for music. We also discuss why reinventing yourself is crucial for success later in life and how to network as a songwriter in Nashville. Additionally, we touch on musicians in podcasting, the music industry in Nashville, and more.

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[00:00:00] Whitney Miller: Here in Nashville, it's so based on relationships, people will not put you on a writer's round there. Up with 20 people if they don't know you. Right. And if you don't show up for their writers, you don't buy a beer at their bar. They don't get out here. They're nothing to us.
[00:00:52] Travis Chappell: What's going on everybody? Welcome back to their episode of Travis Makes Friends. Today I am making friends with Whitney Miller. Whitney, what's up?
[00:00:58] Whitney Miller:  Hey, thanks for having me. I feel like we've already made friends with each other, but now we're just continuing to make more of that friendship.
[00:01:09] Travis Chappell: We're deepening the friendship. Well, cuz the last time that we were here, we did, we were supposed to do an interview. I was gonna say we did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We were supposed to do an interview and somebody may have had a few drinks too many the night before, which is not me. And it wasn't, it wasn't you and it wasn't Jackie sitting on the chair over here. It was me.
[00:01:28] Whitney Miller: So, although technically I did have a few too many drinks the night before. Mm. I just didn't tell you guys when I got there.[00:01:34] Travis Chappell: You just, you just still showed up, is the difference. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And technically I was there.[00:01:38] You were, I was. I just, you showed up, kind of sat there with a, my head in my hands like that,
[00:01:42] Whitney Miller: God, hangovers are the worst. I hate hangovers. I just, I really wish they didn't exist. Yeah. Because I do like to indulge in alcoholic beverages.
[00:01:51] Travis Chappell: I hear that. Yeah. I think I still went out that night as well.
[00:01:55] But the thing is when you're. And you have two small kids at home. And you are out somewhere for three days without that, and they stay home with the grandparents. It's like, you know, you gotta rally. Right. Because when's the next time?
[00:02:08] Whitney Miller: Exactly. You gotta take full advantage of that.
[00:02:11] Travis Chappell: So I can imagine. Yeah, I think I, I think I still went out that night and, and still drink a lot.
[00:02:15] Whitney Miller: Well, I'm impressed. I mean, Nashville's the place to do it. And let me tell you, I moved here from Austin and I thought Austin was a drink. Nope, this is n Vegas for a reason and everyone just goes crazy all the time. Even more so than Austin.
[00:02:30] Way more. Really. Way more. Wow. And I had friends who like to run clubs and, and like, you know, big events like that out in Vegas and New York and Miami. And then they're like, wait, I moved to Austin and everyone's just drinking like crazy. So I thought, Primed. Yeah. Yeah. It's like I got this Nashville. Yeah. No, like I said, when I walked in, Nashville always wins. Always.
[00:02:53] Travis Chappell: Well, we'll put that to the test, okay. Today and tomorrow. Good luck out there. Yeah. Thank you. I appreciate it. Okay, thank you. Well, we'll get some recommendations from you. Okay. So I know you got a ton of stuff you're working on right now. Before we jump into the past and build some context, let's do a quick plug at the beginning here. You just came out. Your newest single. Yes. Right. How's that been going? Talk to me about that process.
[00:03:16] Whitney Miller: It's great. Yeah. This is my second single, it's called 15 Minutes of Fame. I wrote that over the summer. Three girls that I met here in Nashville. I've been here just for a year now. Okay. And so, you know, trying to find my tribe and my community and, and that's really important being a songwriter here in town is finding people whom you trust to write with.
[00:03:36] And continuing to write with them as much as possible, basically. And so these girls thankfully trusted me to rent a little cabin out in the woods and just write for three days straight. Oh, nice. And it was one of the songs that we wrote while we were out there. Amongst many others that I'll be releasing this year too, it's called 15 Minutes of Fame.
[00:03:57] And Kelly Seidel, I was sitting there with her and we had some wine in us and having a good time, and she's like, man, I have this title called 15 Minutes of Fame. And I'm kind of thinking like, you know, maybe when you date somebody and like you see 'em do this, go to the same bar and like they're just kind of like taking you along for the same ride that or their new girl for the same ride that you went on.
[00:04:17] And I was like, shoot, do I have a story for you? Yes. I know exactly what you mean. And so he just started going back and telling stories about our exes and things that we went through. And that's the cool thing about songwriting is that you just build something out. A little baby idea.[00:04:35] Yeah. And you have no idea. Where it's going to go or how it's going to turn out. And it was one of my favorite songs that we wrote that weekend and that was, yeah, like I said, over the summer, back in August and we just released it last week and people.com premiered it, which was awesome for me, particularly being my second.
[00:04:53] Single second musical thing I've ever done, period. Yeah. Right. So yeah, it's been awesome.
[00:04:59] Travis Chappell: Yeah, no kidding. What I love about your story, is that now we're gonna do the context-building part. Because that's my favorite part I love about your story is the constant reinvention. Mm. And you seem, you seem to like never be well, maybe not, never be afraid to go do something different, but.[00:05:16] You don't let fear stop you from going and doing that thing and doing it to its fullest extent. So let's rewind the clock. Let's go all the way back in time, let's say. Nine-year-old Whitney Miller. Where were you in the world? How did you grow up? Your parents' culture, all that stuff?
[00:05:33] Whitney Miller: I grew up in South Texas and my parents divorced when I was really young, I think like six months old or something.[00:05:40] And so I never really knew them together. So my dad raised me. I had two brothers. I was constantly like on the water and hunting and just doing anything that my brothers would do sports-wise. So I am now thinking about it. Maybe that's one of the reasons why I am so comfortable with just reinventing myself and trying new things because anytime they would do something, I would just try it, you know, and just give it a go.[00:06:06] Travis Chappell: Do you remember being afraid of anything back then, or like any of the sort of, kind of more sports activities or anything like that?
[00:06:12] Whitney Miller: I don't remember being afraid of anything. I mean, I was in gymnastics from an early, early age, like a competitive gymnastics team. You know, we were sailing constantly.
[00:06:22] I did, I started soccer when I was like five years old and I was a figure skater as well. Competitive figure skater. Competitive figure skater. Yeah. Yeah. I'm literally like in Texas. In Texas. Yeah. Which is rare. Whom did I compete against? Do you know what I mean? But it was basically like anything that I could compete in, like challenge myself.[00:06:40] I just loved that. Yeah. And that just stuck with me. But you know, we're talking about nine-year-old Whitney. 10-year-old Whitney was told that she couldn't sing and that's where this entire journey kind of started. And I used to put on all kinds of shows for my parents and my family, like in the living room.[00:06:57] And I would have my dad sit on the couch and listen to me sing one song. 5, 6, 7 different times. And then tell me which one he liked the best. You know, like the same song. The same song.
[00:07:09] Travis Chappell: Which performance did you enjoy the most?
[00:07:11] Whitney Miller: He's gotta be like, go on, not this again. Do you know what I mean? But I'm sure he enjoyed every second of it.
[00:07:18] Yeah. I think, yeah, probably as a dad I couldn't, Ima Yeah, you're a dad. See if I, a kid, told me to sit there and listen to them sing 10 times that day. Not somebody else's kid. This is not gonna work for me, bud. Do you know? Yeah. But. And then who told you you couldn't sing? Then? Someone really closes to me.
[00:07:35] Really? Someone really closes to me. Yeah. And I took that to heart. I was just like, oh, well then I can't sing, and if I do sing, that means I'm not gonna be loved, and they won't love me, love me. And from that day, never sing again in front of anyone. And I would sing by myself, but my biggest fear was anyone potentially hearing me.
[00:07:57] Like if I lived. In the apartment, I wouldn't sing just in case someone was walking by outside and could hear me singing to myself. Became a really strong phobia Of mine.
[00:08:07] Travis Chappell: A story that Took deep roots inside of your mind.
[00:08:10] Whitney Miller: Exactly. Exactly. And I had no idea how to get rid of it. And I really thought that I was gonna go to my deathbed with it laying dormant there.
[00:08:19] Travis Chappell: Did you want to keep doing it badly?
[00:08:22] Whitney Miller: Badly? It was the one thing that I thought about. A thousand times a day. And I just couldn't do it even.
[00:08:29] Travis Chappell:  Would you think about that when you were fully throwing yourself into other things as well? Oh yeah.
[00:08:35] Whitney Miller: Really? Wow. I really think because I was, you know, I was constantly competing in sports, you know, and I did really well at that.[00:08:43] I was Miss Texas. I was Miss United States. I went into fighting. I did, you know, hosted this big podcast. I'd done all of these things. But I think it was in order to try to scratch the itch of music. And I'm like, at some point I'm gonna forget about gonna scratch that itches. Yeah. Well, I was hoping that at some point, right, I'm gonna forget about wanting to sing.
[00:09:03] Like, because I accomplished so much in this one area singing to me is nothing anymore. Right? No, it just got louder and louder and louder and I finally had to do something
[00:09:13] Travis Chappell: about it. Yeah. It was like, the other things just magnified, the desire.
[00:09:19] Whitney Miller: Make it silent, right? Yeah,
[00:09:22] Travis Chappell: That's interesting. What, why do you think you finally were like, all right, I'm ready.
[00:09:27] Whitney Miller: I think it was a, I think it was a long journey, in my last relationship we were doing all kinds of plant medicines and like on this big healing and spiritual journey. And of course, singing and the fear of that would always come up and my ex at the time would always, I knew that this was something that I wanted to do.
[00:09:47] I don't think he knew how deep it really ran for me, because no one knew it was something I couldn't even write in my journal. Because that means I was admitting to myself Acknowledging existence. Yeah, exactly. And I wasn't ready for it to be that real. But when you're, you know, at this point, 17 ayahuasca ceremonies down, like at some point is gonna come up.
[00:10:06] You can't run from it. Right. Like, so there was, I think it was just, you know, working with different coaches and sitting with different plant medicine ceremonies. And working with different therapists and all of these things and, finally one of my last ayahuasca ceremonies in the ceremony, whether this is real or not, you know it.
[00:10:27] Showed me that if I didn't sing if I didn't use that part of me and I kept repressing it, it would manifest as a disease in my gut and I would die. And I remember just trying to puke it up, like, no, please, I don't wanna sing. I don't wanna sing, I don't wanna sing. Like, just get it out of me. You know, like, let me puke up singing ‘cause I don't have to do it.
[00:10:46] And it wasn't that. And so the next, very next day, I went into the sharing circle with 25 people. And sang for the first time.
[00:10:54] Travis Chappell: Oh, really? Other people. Wow. So this is the first time since you were 10 years old That you actually sang in front of people. Yeah. What'd you sing?
[00:11:02] Whitney Miller: Angel From Montgomery by, originally John Prime. Bonnie Ray did a cover of it, but my favorite is Susan Tadeshi who sings it.
[00:11:10] Travis Chappell: Why that song? Any significance or just something that comes to mind?
[00:11:12] Whitney Miller: I just loved it. It just felt good to me. Yeah. And I just love how I love Bonnie Wright, you know what I mean? And I just love it, I just like it. What did? What was that?
[00:11:20] Everyone was in tears. Everyone was bawling, crying. My brother was there, which was a very cool experience for him, and everyone also was just like, Wait, but you can sing, like, this is so bizarre. Like it's one thing
[00:11:34] Travis Chappell: That's, that's gonna be the overwhelming reaction, right? Yeah. Because like, you want people to follow their dreams and everything like that, but then like, if somebody's like, I wanna be a singer, then they start singing and they're like, like, oh, oh.
[00:11:43] Maybe I wanna be supportive here. Yeah.
[00:11:45] Whitney Miller: But I don't know how, how do I be supportive to do that? Maybe you should produce music. Exactly. There are so many other different things you can do in the industry. Something. Yeah. Right. And that's funny that you say that because there were people, multiple people in the group that came up to me afterward and they're like when you said that you're about to sing, We didn't know if it was gonna be terrible.
[00:12:04] Travis Chappell: Yeah. Or really good. Everybody's stomach dropped.
[00:12:06] Whitney Miller: Yeah. But thankfully no one walked out and, it was really a big emotional experience for all of us. Okay. So when was that? Oh, man. I'm really bad with dates, but I would say like six years ago.
[00:12:21] Travis Chappell: Okay. Wow. Okay. So, this was still, this was still when you were living in.
[00:12:26] Oh yeah. Okay. Yeah. So how long after that until you were consistently getting out there and singing or actually practicing writing music? [00:12:36] Whitney Miller: 20. 20. Okay. Yeah. Got it. So it took a couple of years for sure because it was still something I was too afraid of. Just because I took that one step didn't mean it was like, eh, whatever.
[00:12:45] I'm good now. Yeah. I had to retrain my nervous system so that I wasn't going to die. By using my voice in front of people.
[00:12:54] Travis Chappell: Where did you start, like in terms of, did you start just going to
[00:12:58] Whitney Miller: I hired a vocal coach. Okay. I hired a vocal coach to where I could just only sing in front of them, which was still absolutely petering to me.
[00:13:06] I had to take beta blockers just to go. My vocal lesson. Yeah. Which is so insane to me still. And he just like worked with me on it, thankfully. And then at this, simultaneously, this is like when Covid started happening, I started coming up here to Nashville and just to see a friend of mine, cuz I wanted, I was going through that big breakup and I wanted to come here and get outta Austin and see a new spot.
[00:13:30] And when you walk into Nashville, you can't get away from music. Yeah, no kidding. You cannot get away from it. Even if you try, I mean start running and all you're gonna do is run into more live music or a musician, or a songwriter or a producer. Any day of the week. Any day of the week, you're a ballet guy.
[00:13:48] The people who pick up your trash, like. Everyone is a musician here. And all of your favorite record labels are right down on Music Row. CMAs here, CMTs here. So it was just a very shocking experience for me to walk into. Basically, the manifestation or an actual vision of that's like what my dream life is.
[00:14:12] Travis Chappell: it could either be a version of heaven or a version of hell. Right. Depending on where you are in your mind.
[00:14:16] Whitney Miller: Yes, exactly. And thankfully for me, at that time, I was just kind of like a star ride to it, oh, this is a life that I could have. If I choose it. And if funny enough on that trip, my vocal coach called me and said, Hey, I wanna do this thing for YouTube, or will you come in and sing in a studio?
[00:14:37] And I'm like, no. Like, what are you talking about? I didn't say that. That's what I was saying in my head, but I. Yes. Depends on how many Xanax you have. I will be there. Yeah, exactly. How messed up can I make? And I just, said yes. And that's kind of been my mantra through this whole thing just say yes and then worry about the consequences later.
[00:14:59] Like, I know that I'm gonna be able to take care of myself and work through my fear. Just say yes to it and then we'll figure it out. And I said yes to it, and a couple of months later I walked into a studio for the very first time in my life. Sang a song in front of 10 people that were in the studio, you know?
[00:15:17] And one of 'em happened to be Matt Naski who plays bass for Blue October, and he was the owner of the studio and he was like, I'm not looking to take on any artist, but there's something here. If you want my help, I'm willing to help you. Wow, that's a big, all I had to do was say yes and welcome to my mantra.[00:15:38] I said, yes, and it has completely changed my life 180 degrees. My life looks absolutely completely different than it did at that moment. I said yes to how it is now.
[00:15:51] Travis Chappell: Why do you think that is?
[00:15:52] Whitney Miller: Because I'm living my truth and I'm not stopping something. You always wanted something I always wanted to do.[00:15:57] Yeah. I mean, I started writing music for the very first time. I started singing in front of people. I started, standing on my own two feet and realizing, oh wait, Whitney can do this on her own. I moved out of Texas. I've never lived outside of Texas my entire life until last year when I moved here to Nashville, you know? And That's wild.
[00:16:18] Travis Chappell: You know, there's a statement that Tom Segura said in one of his standups, and I'm, I'm a big fan of Tom. I love Leva. His stuffing, he's hilarious. But he throws in little personal development things every once in a while if you catch 'em, you know when he is talking.[00:16:30] And during one of his standup routines I think it's on Netflix, one of the specials, he said something like if you are doing something that you hate right now, I encourage you to pursue your dreams. He was like, cuz, If you don't achieve what you sought to achieve, I think there's much more fulfillment in the pursuit of what you want than in doing something that you don't want.
[00:16:53] Yeah, and I thought it was really insightful to say because a lot of people will let fear prevent them from doing it. Where, you know, they moved to Nashville and they produced some songs and then they're like, but what if in 20 years from now, I'm just singing at a local bar and it's.[00:17:07] So what if 20 years from now, you're doing something you're passionate about and you love and people are enjoying it? What if that happens? This doesn't seem like a really bad case scenario. Right. Exactly. Cause right now you're going to freaking FedEx and like driving the truck. Yeah.[00:17:19] You know what I mean? Yeah. Like that's a better-case scenario for you. Then doing something you actually enjoy doing that fuels you up, that makes you excited about life again. Yeah. Do you know? And then I feel like it's so underrated because when you're in this mental space of I'm doing what I enjoy doing, Everything.
[00:17:36] When you have that mental shift from scarcity to abundance everything looks different. The world is all of a sudden a place of opportunity. Right. Rather than a place that's trying to hold you back and keep you down. So I mean, now you've gotten a lot of opportunities.[00:17:50] Doors have opened for you and it's not because people are just randomly opening new doors. It's probably just because you can. The doors are potentially being opened because you're actually walking down the path.
[00:18:00] Whitney Miller: Exactly. I'm like, I'm allowing it to happen, you know? Yeah. And I have the, I now know because my story's so different.[00:18:09] I didn't grow up doing music, you know, I didn't grow up performing and doing all these things as pretty much everyone else in the music industry did. Yeah. They all sing in church at least. Exactly. Yeah. I didn't do that either, you know? And so for me, it's like, Now I know exactly what it's like to live in that scarcity mindset.[
00:18:29] You know, at that, what, 25 years? I know what it feels like to not pursue your dreams every single day. So every day that I get a chance to pursue my dream is a win. I'm already winning. Right.
[00:18:42] Travis Chappell: Exact. That's, yes. Exactly. That's the point. You don't have to become Carrie Underwood.[00:18:46] To put a W in the column. No, but I'm going to, yeah. I don't doubt it. I don't doubt it. I'm gonna try. Hundred percent. Hundred percent. And if your second song has already been featured on people, then I think. You know, trending in the right direction.
[00:19:00] Whitney Miller: And I mean, yeah. And that's the thing you mentioned, you know, people can sit there and, and be like, you know, 20 years from now, what if I'm just playing in a bar?[00:19:08] My mind goes there too. Yeah. I mean, I couldn't sleep two days ago and I was just running through my head about all the things that could go wrong and why I shouldn't be doing this. It's a stupid idea and I'm way behind and I'm stuck and like, you know, your mind starts to take you to those places, but it's like if I end up singing.
[00:19:25] In a bar in 20 years, I bet I had one hell of a good time. That's what led to that, exactly. What experiences do I get to, you know, remember at that point of more fulfillment in that pursuit than you would Yeah. Succeeding at something else that you didn't even want to do. Exactly. Because I've done that. Yeah. And it's, it's great, but it's not that great. Yeah.
[00:19:47] Travis Chappell: What do you think the underlying principle or common denominator has been for you to be able to go? You know, competing in sports, doing mma you know, winning Miss USA now singing in music. And you've continually reinvented yourself and ab and, and been able to rise to the top of whatever field that you've, that you've been in.
[00:20:08] What do you look at as being the common denominator there? Because it's clearly not time involved, is my point. Yeah, right. Because a lot of people are like, oh, just put in the work, put in the time. You know, and all that's. But it's not exclusively true or else you wouldn't have a story like yours
[00:20:22] Where you can move into different fields and find success in a shorter period of time compared to other people who've maybe been doing it twice or three times or five times as long as you've been doing it. Yeah. Do you have a, a kinda a formula for that or,
[00:20:32] Whitney Miller: I don't know if I have a formula, but I think I just chase fulfillment, you know, and, and I had a conversation with somebody who, who looked at my path and was like, well, don't you think that you're just not sticking with one?
[00:20:46] You know, and like you just get bored and maybe you should just stick with something. And I'm like, I mean I could, but that doesn't sound fun to me. I don't wanna do that. You know, like, this is my life. Thanks, Mr. Accountant. Yeah. Seriously. Let me just sit here and do you, I'll stick with one thing while mastering QuickBooks.
[00:21:02] Lemme know how that goes. Yeah, exactly. And it acted, honestly, at one point I was like, Oh my God. Is something wrong with me? Like, because I can't really, I can't stick with something. And it's not that I can't stick with something, it's that I just didn't want to. Yeah. And so for me,[00:21:18] I think it's okay to move and reinvent yourself over and over again if you want to. Sure. If that's what's gonna make you happier, great. Then go for it. And I think when you're acting from a place. Happiness, joy, and excitement for your life and what you're doing. Yeah. Things happen more easily for you. You're not like, it's not like this grind. Yeah. And this work to try to make it happen. It just kind of like easily seem seemingly slow, and easily happens a little bit more.
[00:21:49] Travis Chappell: Yeah. I was gonna say, I often talk with people where I think that that is probably. Plan of action for them where it's like your opportunity hopping right now. You should just pick something and just go through the pain of learning it.
[00:21:58] Yeah. Because you know, a lot of people aren't willing to put in the callouses, aren't willing to get the calluses, you know, it's like when you start playing guitar Yeah. Everything hurts. Yeah. And you can't hold down the strings and you try to strum one chord and it's like buzzing and nothing sounds good.
[00:22:11] Yeah. But if you do it for like four months, you get calluses on your fingers and then like, oh, I can switch to another cord now. And things look a little bit easier. You know what. But that callous period is a difficult time no matter what the skillset is. And I think a lot of people give up before then, but in your case, you clearly weren't that because you got good at whatever it is that you were doing.[00:22:30] It's just that you wanted to switch to something different because it was new and exciting. And, I, relate to that in a lot of ways. And we've had the, me and Jackie had those conversations because I've done 16 different things in the last like nine years, you know what I mean? And. It's just, it's exactly that. It's like, well, there's not much else for me to do here.
[00:22:47] Whitney Miller: I don't know. That's the thing,
[00:22:48] Travis Chappell: right? If I continue doing it, I know how that's gonna end up, and I don't want to end up there, so why am I gonna continue doing it? Yeah. I want to do something different now. Yeah. I relate to that completely.
[00:22:57] Whitney Miller: That's, that's so true. And I think like, because I've done it, I really think being an athlete has helped me a lot. Like from being, you know, like I said, I started sports. Four years old. Yeah. My entire family, my dad was a professional sailor. My mom was a professional windsurfer. My brother is literally the most athletic person you'll ever meet. And broke a record for bunny hopping and like, was on the Texas diving team. And like my entire family is so incredibly
[00:23:24] Travis Chappell: What a, what a good mixture of random activities. That is too. Like, it's not like we all played football or, or
[00:23:29] Whitney Miller: golf. It's literally like we just, we're just gonna try all the things, you know, and see how it
[00:23:33] Travis Chappell: goes. Is this? Brother, Mom, Dad.
[00:23:36] Whitney Miller: I have two half-brothers. Okay. And then my mom and dad. Okay. Yeah, we have the same mom, not the same dad. And then my other brother, Trey, who lives out in San Francisco, does like these insane bike rides that I can't even explain it to you because it sounds like I'm exaggerating, but like, Thousand-mile bike rides through the fucking mountains and like in these like arctic ice climbing and like all of this, it's so crazy to me.
[00:23:59] So, but I really think being an athlete has helped me particularly, you know, take that same mindset into trying different things because it's that callous period you talk about. And so now with music, I do feel like I have catching up to do, and I think that helps me a little bit because I'm like, guns blazing.
[00:24:20] Don't shift on your shoulder. Oh, for sure. Never hurt anybody. Yeah. And like I don't have time to wait. Right. I'm not 22 years old coming up with a record deal. Right. You know, it's like I have to make this happen now. And I've taken, you know, the mindset of athletics into my vocals. I train in vocals.
[00:24:39] Five, six times a week, whereas a lot of people Once, maybe once, yeah, once a month. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe they don't even do vocals. Right. I have her do it. My warmups with me. I go and do two-hour vocal lessons in person with her. I take online courses when it comes to the music business. I'm like, I'm just allowing myself to sit there and be like if I were to hire a coach on what's the best way to be the best you know, athlete Right?[00:25:06] In the music industry. That's what I'm doing. Right. So I'm hiring all the right people to make sure I'm, I'm just one, supporting myself and doing it in the best way that I know how.
[00:25:15] Travis Chappell: Yeah. You'd want to. Still, I wanna win. It's still that competitive desire. Exactly. Yeah. The nice thing in this business is that you can win in this business, everybody else doesn't have to lose.
[00:25:24] Yeah. Do you know what I mean? We all get to win. It's an abundance-based business. Exactly. You can listen to 43 artists on your playlist. It doesn't.
[00:25:30] Whitney Miller: You know? It's so true. It's one person, you know? Yeah. It's not like I have to take somebody out to take their
[00:25:34] Travis Chappell: squad. Right. Do you know? Right. Exactly. Can be a lot more collaborative in that sense. It, it sounds like you, you've been that way with the, with the friends that you've made here.
[00:25:41] Whitney Miller: Yeah. And, and that's the thing with Nashville. You know, they say it's a music place and it really is. But it's really for songwriters. Like, you come here and you come to write music, not necessarily to play music.
[00:25:55] Musicians don't make any money playing in Nashville because there are so many of us here. If you wanna go make money on the road, you gotta go somewhere else. Sure. And, if you want to have access to the best writers in the world at your fingertips, yeah. They're right here in Nashville. You go to any.[00:26:11] And you just run into somebody and they have multiple number-one hits on the radio without a doubt. Wow. You know, and so it's a great place to meet people like that who are all doing the same thing as you, and most of the time, everyone's really accepting and welcoming because they've been you before.
[00:26:29] Travis Chappell: how do you view, I mean, the whole topic of the show is really about relationships and about how your environment can change. The person that you are and the people that you get around can either make you a better version of yourself Or a worse version of yourself. And there's probably nowhere in between those two. Right. Yeah. They're either making you better or they're making you worse. There, there are not any neutral relationships.
[00:26:49] Whitney Miller: That's a really interesting way to put it because I don't think you ever hear it that way.
[00:26:53] Travis Chappell: Yeah, right. Well, because it's painful to think about it. Yeah. Because you think about it, cuz it's hard when you have people that you care about and you love and you look at, you look at them and you go like, well, they don't make me better, but they don't make me.[00:27:04] Right. It's just telling yourself that they don't make you worse. You know, they don't make you better. That means they're making you worse. They're making you worse. There's just no position in life where you stand still. You're going backward or you're going forwards,
[00:27:13] Whitney Miller: you know? Damn. Yeah. I needed that. That's good.
[00:27:16] Travis Chappell: So my question to you is who’s making me worse? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. We need some names. A list is here.
[00:27:24] Whitney Miller: I’ll text him for you right now. I have no friends.
[00:27:25] Travis Chappell: As an adult, and Jackie and I talk about this a lot, it's hard to make good friends with people who are in similar life stages. Who have similar goals or desires and who have the ability to sharpen you and, and turn you into a better version of yourself.[00:27:41] How do you go about making friends with people? How do you put yourself in situations to meet the types of people that you've been meeting and, and write music with them and have fun with them and go out and things like that?
[00:27:50] Whitney Miller: Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting making friends as adults. It's weird too, you know?
[00:27:54] It's very odd. It's super weird. For some reason, yeah, I don't know exactly why it is. I will make friends with a wall, you know, like, so put me in a room and I'm going to have friends. Do you know what I mean? And it's just because I feel like I'm truly interested in other people. Yeah. You know, I truly enjoy just saying hi to somebody.
[00:28:18] Travis Chappell:  Would you identify as an extrovert?
[00:28:21] Whitney Miller: Yes. Okay. 100%. Yeah. 100%. But here in Nashville, I mean, I kind of have a little bit of a built-in community because we all play together at the same bars. A lot of the time you'll just go and support people, and Sure if you
[00:28:34] Travis Chappell: have, but when you moved to Nashville, you didn't have any of that?
[00:28:36] I didn't have any of that.  So how did you get that?
[00:28:39] Whitney Miller: Oh, That's a really good question. I think, oh, you know what I did? I started flying it in some DMS. There you go. Yeah. I just love it. I saw people whom, I liked their music, and I liked what they were doing. They seemed cool. And I said, Hey, I'm brand new to N.
[00:28:53] I'm in the music industry. I'd love if you have any shows coming up, I'd love to come to check them out. Or I'm trying to write with as many people as I can. Are you interested in setting up a journal? And most of the time, either they would just ignore you and be like, mm, I don't know who this person is.
[00:29:08] Sure. Which is fine. Don't take it personally, you know exactly, but they're not gonna reach out. Right. Yeah. You have to go out there and make the effort to find people. Yeah. And do that. Right. And so that's really what it's, that's what it was, am I just started reaching out to people. Then I would go to shows, meet people, we'd start doing rights, and then like we just talked about, you have to put the effort in.
[00:29:29] There are times that I don't want to go do anything. Yeah. Right. But. I'm in the part of my career where I am in that callusing part. I am like, I gotta grind. Yeah. I gotta go out when I don't wanna go out. I gotta go talk to people when I don't wanna talk to people. Do you know? And it's just about showing up for myself and for other people because I want them to show up for me too.
[00:29:50] And I know how hard this business is and I know how important it is when your friend shows up to your show. Yeah. Like how cool that is. [00:29:59] Travis Chappell: Yeah. You know, it's interesting you say it that way because there are so many people that I see now talking about the power of saying no. And I dunno, a couple of years ago I was like, I never understand this because Yeah, at the time I just wasn't getting enough opportunity.[00:30:13] What you're talking about is like, I was in the point of, of my, of the career path that I was on where I was like, I don't have the luxury of saying no. Yeah. It's like I said, yes. Anything, right? Like, you want me to fly to New Jersey to speak to 12 people? Heck yeah. I gotta pay for it myself
.[00:30:27] All right. I'll be there. I'm there. Do you know what I mean? Like the hotel is costing me more. You know, it's just like me, I don't know what to do except just say yes to every single thing that I can possibly say yes to. Yeah. Do you know? And then you finally get to a point where it's like, okay, now I gotta start saying no.
[00:30:41] Right? Because the opportunities Are too much. Yeah. You know, but, how are you getting to that point? Exactly, exactly. I think a lot of people die way too soon. They start saying no to things when they get too big for their britches before they actually should be, you know?[00:30:54] Yeah. They start saying no to all these things. They're like, oh, I'm above that. They cannot do that. It's like, really? You've been above that for like 13 years now. You're right. You know what I mean? When are you gonna ever like, Step into that next version of you
[00:31:03] Whitney Miller: and you just never know, like, you never know whom you're gonna meet.
[00:31:06] Travis Chappell: Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, some I, I deal with this a lot cuz obviously in my agency we, we get people booked on podcasts, you know, and, and one of the biggest things that I come across is, especially with entrepreneurship space, is we have a lot of people that make good money and they're trying to, you know, now get into the branding, you know, branding themselves.
[00:31:23] Podcasting and getting out in front of people. I'm like, okay, well we'll get you booked on, you know, these shows. These shows. And they're like, yeah, but I've never heard of those shows. And it's like, okay, but nobody's ever heard of you. Right? So like, where do we go from here? What? Like, we can't get you booked on Rogan and Tim Ferris tomorrow, man.
[00:31:37] Right? Like, I don't know what to tell you. You know what I mean? Like, you're gonna have to do some of this stuff that maybe you feel right now might be beneath you. You. But like, if you feel that it's beneath you, then maybe we shouldn't work together anyway. Because That's a good point. I'm still gonna do all the shows that you're saying no to.
[00:31:49] Yeah. That's the difference. That's why I'm gonna win. Yeah. Long term. Because I'm still saying yes to all the ones that you're saying no to because you think they're beneath you. Even though I've been doing this for six years and you just started doing it. Yeah. You know what I mean? And if you listen to all the, like, uh, Gary Vaynerchuk says it all the time, you know, he went on thousands of podcasts as a guest that he had no business being on in terms of listenership or audience.
[00:32:09] It doesn't matter. At some point, something's gonna happen that's going to take you to the next level where you literally, like legitimately do not have the time to do those things. Yeah, exactly. Now he's at that point, obviously. Yeah. But it took him a long time to get there and he was never too big for his britches.
[00:32:22] Like he was always willing to jump in and be like, Hey, if I can make it happen, even though I'm in the back of a New York City cab on the way to my next meeting, I'll make it happen. I got my AirPods, it might be bad audio, but I'll do the show, whatever.
[00:32:32] Whitney Miller: You know what I mean? Yeah. That's exactly where I'm at right now. Yeah. I am just, I'm in it
[00:32:37] Travis Chappell: and exactly what you said. You don't know if there are seven people in the crowd. Yeah. You don't know who that one person is in there. Whose cousin is a producer of that other thing? Exactly. Who likes, oh, I actually might have a contact for you. You just never know.[00:32:50] Whitney Miller: I mean, the first show that I played here was in a Holiday Inn. There you go. You know, like, I couldn't come here and, and act like I'm something. Right. Cause I am nothing here. Yeah. I have no one. So you go and you play that holiday end
[00:33:04] Travis Chappell: show, right? Well, that's, that's huge props to you though, because you aren’t starting from anything in terms of everything else in your life.
[00:33:12] Yeah. You, you've worked really hard a lot in, in a lot of, realms. And so for you to come in and be willing to start at the bottom at something that you, you know, were not proficient at, or had not Yeah. Had not, you know, made a name for yourself yet, speaks to exactly why you're in the position that you're in now.
[00:33:29] Because you were willing to start there. And I think people in the industry want to see that. As well. They want to know that like, you are willing to, you're willing to go earn your stripes. Yeah. But you're not just coming in and just like, oh, well you're verified and have a hundred thousand something thousand followers and you have a big podcast and you think you're gonna come into this space and just like win, you know?
[00:33:47] But when they see you, like at the bottom eating shit, just like everybody else was forced to eat shit when they got in the industry, they're like, cool.
[00:33:53] Whitney Miller: Cool. We respect that. Exactly. Yeah. Like we see you and, here in Nashville, I mean, you're talking about relationships when it comes to business. I mean, I know Gary B talks about like, the monetary value of relationships is basically, you know, it's priceless, right? That’s exactly what everything is built on. And
[00:34:11] Whitney Miller: here in Nashville, it's so based on relationships, people will not put you on a writer's round there. Up with 20 people if they don't know you. Right. And if you don't show up for their writers, you don't buy a beer at their bar. They don't get out here. They're nothing to us. [00:34:30] Travis Chappell: I feel like music acting, I feel like there are a few industries like that you know, there's no limit to the sheer volume of people that are trying to make it big in those industries. Yeah. Where the talent pool, like if you try to come in and compete on talent, you will.[00:34:46] Oh yeah, this doesn't matter. It's like you walk into a random bar here in Nashville any bar, within a two-mile radius of this exact place that we're staying at right now. Any bar, like the talent level that's behind the microphone, is better than half of the people that are famous. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?
[00:35:03] Whitney Miller: I know. I walk in there and I'm like, what am I doing? I saw the cause so badly. You know?
[00:35:08] Travis Chappell: That would be the only thing that would give me hope is hearing how good those people are. Oh, man. Frankly, like, frankly, because. You go to a live show from somebody again that's super famous, that's sold tens of millions of albums or singles or whatever, and it's like, you kind of suck, like life, you know what I mean?[00:35:25] It's just like, it's so clear to me that it's a relationship-based business because it doesn't matter. Like as long as you have a base level of talent, charisma, and ambition. Like you, you can perform, you, you have something attractive about your personality. There's something there if you know the right people.[00:35:42] That is the formula to me. It seems like an outsider, and again, I don't know the space as well as you do, but it seems to me because of the sheer volume of talent, like I'll go into some of these bars and here's somebody saying, I'm like, damn, they are good. Rushing it. Very good at the instrument that they're playing.
[00:35:59] Their voice is amazing and. And it's like, it's, they know
[00:36:02] Whitney Miller: how to work the crowd. Like they're just
[00:36:04] Travis Chappell: like, they're performers. Yeah. And it's like, that's, it's, it, it's clearly not just a talent thing. No, it absolutely isn't. It's a combination of talent. It's a combination of hard work, but ultimately the only thing, like if talent is in abundance
[00:36:18] And hard work is in abundance. The only thing that's scarcity is relationships. Yeah. With the people that can put you on to the right opportunities. You know what I mean? The opportunity, the, the relationships are the only things in scarcity like that would. Where people should be spending most of their time.
[00:36:31] Whitney Miller: Yeah. And it goes back to like, like you said, creating those relationships. Yeah. You know, and, and being okay to show up at places that maybe you wouldn't normally go. Right. You know? Right. And even when it comes to writing too, something that I've learned is if you're sitting in a room with someone for four hours, you better.
[00:36:48] Be an enjoyable person to be around. You know, that's not true. Like, I didn't think about that. Yeah. So when you talk about writing, go in there, be nice. Yeah. Like be chill, be cool. Like Yeah. Just kind of have your personable skills. Yeah. You know, online where they're gonna want to book another session where they're gonna Yeah.
[00:37:08] They're not gonna be like, God, I just spent four hours with this person and it was just brutal. Like, what energy sucks. Do you know what I mean? And it's just, You have to just go in there and like, just be a good human being. Yeah. And a lot of the time it's gonna work out well for you, but if you go in there too, to pig too big for your britches. And hot and whatever, you're not gonna get called back in that [00:37:33] Travis Chappell: room. Yeah. Right.

Travis Chappell: So, I want to talk about podcasting. Cool. Because that's what I do. Yeah. And I know that you did it for a long time and you currently do not have a show running, correct?
[00:37:42] Whitney Miller: I don't, but I'm starting one here like next week.
[00:37:45] Travis Chappell: sweet. Yeah. Okay, so the itch is still there then. Oh yeah. That was what I was gonna ask. Okay. The itch is there. Okay. What have you enjoyed about podcasting? What have you not enjoyed about podcasting?
[00:37:56] Whitney Miller: I enjoyed it. Sitting down and talking to people and you get like I'm not on my phone.
[00:38:03] Yeah. You know, my intention is to be here with you. We're actually having a real conversation. And I, so I think I really enjoy just doing that. And you get to go deep a lot of the time. Yeah. It's not just this superficial kind of chit-chat here and there, what's the weather doing, blah, blah, blah.[00:38:17] Sure. It's like, I'm actually very curious like we said about people. And so being able to sit there and just learn what makes them tick and what makes them different and what makes them have a unique story was always really intriguing to me. And my podcast was True Sex and Wild Love, and we talked about very controversial topics that [00:38:34] People would shy away most of the time. Yeah. And I love that too, because it challenges people, you know? And it challenges people to think outside of the box and I wanted to make people uncomfortable. Yeah. To see, okay, what's underneath that? And like, can you think from a different perspective without being so judgmental?[00:38:51] And I loved, I loved that. That was so much fun. What I didn't like is I don't like to do all the backend stuff like, you know, like the nitty gritty, post it here, do this here. Do show notes. Like, I don't like to. Yeah. But towards the end I hired somebody, which made it, there you go. Much more. I was gonna say there are people obviously.[00:39:10] Yeah, exactly. So now Exactly. People like y'all can help out. Now then I'm gonna launch my new show. I know what I wanna do and I know what I don't wanna do. What's the new show? It's just a Whitney Miller podcast. Oh, cool, okay. Yeah. I'm just keeping it simple. I'm not trying to think about it.[00:39:26] I wanna talk about the topics that I wanna talk about. Yeah. And, and not narrow me in so much because maybe this is something that, you know, you guys have felt too, if I feel like there's such a narrative around your niche and like making sure you're in that. Otherwise, you can be too broad. And that's been something that's been challenging for me my whole life.[00:39:49] Yeah. I'm not, you don't have the niche. One thing, I don't have a niche, you know? Like I'll be in this niche for a minute, but then I'm definitely gonna go do these 14 other things. Yeah. Do you know? And so I've always just been more of a broad person. Yeah. And that was one thing with true sex and wild love.[00:40:05] I love talking about love, sex, and relationships. But I wanted to talk about other things too. Sure. You know, it got to a point where I was like, can we just maybe talk about some fitness stuff? Or like, I got my Botox the other day, can we talk about Botox? You know, like certain things like that. And so that's why I'm really excited about, just to broaden it and just have another aspect of, you know, my brand as Whitney Miller and, and speak openly on the things that I want to talk about.
[00:40:28] Travis Chappell: Are you gonna do mostly solo shows or guests?
[00:40:29] Whitney Miller:  No, no, mostly guests. Okay. Sure. I like to do gas. Yeah.
[00:40:34] Travis Chappell: That's awesome. Yeah, I mean, I think that it's it, the podcast for me has been like my number one hack for building relationships with people that I never thought would actually spend any time with me. Yeah.[00:40:46] You know what I mean? So just what we were talking about was being in Nashville with all the access to people that you have. There is literally no better way. Right. To be like, Hey, I met that producer that one night at that bar. And we talked for a second, and I can connect with her on Instagram but we don't really know each other that well. Right. Hey, wanna do an episode of my podcast?
[00:41:07] Whitney Miller: Or you can come to sit in my living room for an hour and we can really get to know each other. Exactly.
[00:41:11] Travis Chappell: You know? Right. Like, I'm not, it's not an ask. Yeah. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, When, when you get asked to do somebody's podcast, it's not like, Hey, let's jump on a sales call ‘cause I have something to sell you. Yeah. It's like, it's like, Hey, let's have a conversation for an hour, and let me post it to my audience
[00:41:24] Whitney Miller: so I can share your story. Right. Like, I'm
[00:41:26] Travis Chappell: interested in you, I wanna highlight you. Right, exactly. And then throughout the conversation, you build rapport. They find out more things about you. Like me that that would be the perfect thing here.[00:41:35] It's like how do I make instant, tiny connections with people out and about and. Immediately get them into my podcast. Right, right. Let's have an hour conversation next.
[00:41:45] Whitney Miller: Yeah. Yeah. And, it just kind of solidifies them into your world. Right. Which is very
[00:41:50] Travis Chappell: cool. Yep. And you get to, yeah. You get to highlight them, make them look awesome, and talk about them for a [00:41:55] Whitney Miller: a long period of time.[00:41:56] Well, that's the thing, when it comes to relationships for people who don't have a podcast or anything, like, people like to talk about themselves most of the time. So if you're sitting there talking about yourself the entire time, Stop. Yeah. And start to get curious about the other person and ask them questions and see where you guys can relate to each other.[00:42:15] See where you guys have differences. I mean, that's what absolutely. Building a relationship is at the end of the day.
[00:42:21] Travis Chappell: Yeah. The quality of your life and the quality of relationships is highly dependent on the quality of the questions that you can ask people, I think. Yeah. And the quality of questions you can ask yourself even.
[00:42:29] But yes, to your point. That's why the podcast is a perfect vehicle. I tell people all the time, like, even if you don't publish the episodes, or, or even if zero people listen, you get three listeners an episode, who cares? I expect that a vehicle will do it. Absolutely expected. Do you know? Exactly.[00:42:45] But don't let it stop you from doing it because the relationships are so valuable that you can come from them. It's just. [00:42:51] Whitney Miller: That's huge. I have actually, I've never thought about it that way because people ask me like, how do I start a podcast? Or what should I do? Do you know? Yeah. And I usually like, expect it to be more work than it is.[00:43:01] And expect no one to listen to it for a while. Totally. And if you wanna do it because you wanna make money, don't a
[00:43:06] Travis Chappell: hundred percent. Yeah. If, if the goal is to become the next Joe Rogan, which is like, You know, we do, we have a lot of podcasters and that's always the line. It's like, is like, oh, I just wanna do something like Joe Rogan. Like, okay, stop right there. It's [00:43:18] Whitney Miller: so, you wanna be like, it's not gonna happen bigger than the president of
[00:43:21] Travis Chappell: the United States starts. Yeah. So, you want to bullshit with your buddies. The problem is, You and your buddies aren't that interesting. Right. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Joe Rogan is an interesting dude who has a lot of interesting friends, so he has [00:43:33] Whitney Miller: very interesting past because he has done so many different things
.[00:43:37] Travis Chappell: Exactly. Yeah. And he started it when there were like a thousand podcasts in existence. Yeah. You know, so. Let's erase that. Let's start over. Yeah. Like, you're not gonna be Joe Rogan. Yeah. How do we do something different here? Do you know what I mean? Oh, no. Yeah, I know. I, I shatter their dreams. It's probably,
[00:43:52] Whitney Miller: It's interesting because here art like musicians don't really have podcasts. That's wild. To me. It's very, that's crazy rare that you see an artist that has a podcast now that you
[00:44:04] Travis Chappell: mention it. That is very true.
[00:44:05] Whitney Miller: Right. Why is, and I don't, I don't know. I don't know if it's because. They don't feel comfortable in this medium. They don't feel comfortable interviewing other people.
[00:44:16] Yeah. Or it's not something that they're interested in doing. I really don't know. That is a, and so that was one of the reasons I'm like, blue ocean
[00:44:24] Travis Chappell: an opportunity for you.
[00:44:25] Whitney Miller: Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And so I was like, well shoot, I already have the experience of running a podcast. Yeah. I don't know how to do it. I like to do it. And really no other artist.
[00:44:38] Travis Chappell: Of doing it. Yeah. You know what's interesting is I've found there's so much value in skill stacking. It's like one skill or two skills maybe by themselves are valuable, but then when you put them on top of each other, it starts to add a lot of value. Yeah. And to your point, it's like, well, there's a lot of musicians here.
[00:44:53] You know, there's a lot of podcasters in Austin or LA or whatever. There are not a lot of musicians, but there are a lot of musicians here and there are not a lot of podcasts. We're like, well, I'm pretty good at this thing and I'm pretty good at this thing. But when we combine them and put them in one thing, it's like, now I'm really good.[00:45:05] Yeah. Because I'm the only one doing both of these things. It's like sometimes to niche down, you gotta niche up and like, yes. And grab three or four things and stack them onto each other, and then you can be the person that introduces all these other people to this medium that actually, you know, promotes success.
[00:45:18] Whitney Miller: I also see it as going back to the Gary V we were talking about. You know, like when people are starting these different arts, like a niche up, like you were just saying, is, like your brand equity is like building your own brand equity in yourself. And so I do see myself as, you know, eventually, I'm gonna write a book, so that's gonna build my brand equity.[00:45:37] Starting another podcast that's continuing to build brand equity there. And so it's like, yeah, maybe I'm not gonna make any money off my podcast ever. I have no idea. Yeah. Yeah. I hope so. At some point, right? At the end of the day, I'm building more of a brand of who Whitney is, which I think in turn will only support what I wanna do with my life.[00:45:58] Travis Chappell: And it helps with literally everything else. Yeah. That's why cats like it's crazy. And now that you're saying that, can't think of any, but it's crazy that there are not a lot of musicians that have them because it's like the perfect self-promotion vehicle for all of your own [00:46:11] Whitney Miller: music. Yeah.[00:46:12] Now that I'm thinking about it, I'm just wondering. Because record labels have such a hand in everything people stay and do in the persona that's put out to the public. I wonder if podcasting is just too off the cuff. Yeah, potentially a little bit. Yeah. I don't know, I'm just thinking this through.
[00:46:32] Travis Chappell: Cause I know I know that like the WWE and stuff like that is very much that way. Where like if you want to get in, you have to go through. Three different layers of corporate bullshit before you can get somebody even on your show That, and like none of them have their own shows, you know?[00:46:44] Yeah. So it's like maybe it could be, it could be similar to that where they want to own the IP so much that they aren't willing to like, Hey, we made you famous. We don't want you making money outside of us, type of thing. Yeah. [00:46:56] Whitney Miller: I don't know. I feel like that might be smaller. There's something going on. The white artists don't want to do it.[00:47:01] Yeah, that's fine. Or don't think about doing it.
[00:47:03] Travis Chappell: You're gonna do it, so, yay. Yeah. I'm gonna start that trend. Well, we'll experiment. Yeah. Yeah. Let me know how it goes. Okay. Yeah. [
00:47:10] Whitney Miller: I'll have you come on, and talk about business. Absolutely. And podcasting. We'll just basically have the same conversation. Yeah, exactly.
[00:47:15] Travis Chappell: We'll just release this episode on this podcast. Yeah, exactly. Whitney, this has been a lot of fun. I don't wanna take up too much time when you have a lot of stuff going on. Before we get going. How can everybody find out more about what you got going on?[00:47:24] Whitney Miller:  I am @whitnlove on all my social platforms, which is probably gonna change. I'm trying to get Whitney Miller maybe, maybe that girl will hear, hear me, and give me her Instagram handle would really help me out.
[00:47:39] Travis Chappell: You, you DMed her and
[00:47:40] Whitney Miller: I did. Yes. Okay. I got denied. I didn't get denied. I just, she didn't care about me. She ignored me. Thanks a lot. Whitney Miller. Yeah. Whitney Miller. Geez. But no, so I'm going through the process of trying to figure out what that's gonna be, but as of right now, it's @whitnlove, WHITNLOVE. And then my two singles Diamond Country and 15 Minutes of Fame are on all streaming platforms right now, I'm gonna be releasing new music every four weeks.[00:48:08] I don't know when this will come out, but I'll have a new song out here in a month. Three, three weeks, well done or so. Yeah, well done. Let's pedal to the middle. I'm gonna be really tired, but we're going for it. And then you can check me out at @whitneymillermusic.com. Perfect.
[00:48:26] Travis Chappell: Please go check out some of the stuff that Whitney's got going on, guys, I know that you will absolutely not regret it. Whitney, thanks so much for coming on the show[00:48:31] Whitney Miller: Yeah, thanks for having me.

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